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posted April 6, 2021 8:00pm
this will be my homework submission forum thread
Homework Submission - Week 1 - Mountain N
I tried out some different techniques for blocking out Mountains. I hope that is what you wanted for week one ^^ .
I also made a Low Poly Mountain generator to quickly get base meshes for sculpting :)
Like this mountain generator. As I understand it, we are to try and match the artwork with our models. Will your mountain generator give you a mountain closer to the artwork to save you to much effort in sculpting. I'm not very good at sculpting , but when I have to, I like to have a base mesh as close as possible to the silhouette of the reference and limit my sculpting to the details. Things start looking a bit 'lumpy' if I have to adjust the base shape. Do you have much experience with sculpting? Are you looking forward to the next stage?
Thank you for your feedback. I dont have lots of experience with sculpting but for the specific mountain N I will go with a polymodeled base mesh. I created this generator more for fun and maybe we will need som more mountains in the further background who knows :) Im really looking forward to week 2 its going to be a challenge, a good one. And as Swiss I have to know how to model propper mountains ^^
This is my current base mesh for mountain N
Ok you live in Switzerland. You know what a mountain looks like then. I live in the UK, I'm modelling the clouds, I know what they look like.
WOW you made a mountain generator tool! I love seeing such resourcefulness from this community. Awesome job ttiborbleuel! You get full points plus some extra for the effort 👏
And yes, this is all I expected for week 1. Honestly I was envisioning each mountain asset to be a singular peak, but I'm interested to see how a multi-peak mountain could work out. For week 2 if you could sculpt a singular peak and then a multi-peak version if you have the time?
One small note: I think a circular mountain base will be better than a square base. Those pesky corners are harder to hide ambiguously in such situations.
I am on it! :D
Ok so quick status report:
I found an awesome CC-0 Rock Brush set on Blendswap that lets me sculpt insane amount of detail really quickly.
But I thought it almost looks to photoreal for the artstyle we try to achieve. So I also started sculpting the same mountain using the "Stack o Rocks" techniques and trying to get a more stylized mountain.
It is not finished yet but I am learning so much it´s awesome!
So what do you guys think with which technique should I continue?
You're doing awesome for your first sculpt! Getting used to the tools is a big first step.
The second 2 examples look the most promising to me. I'd even try blending the methods together: Roughing out the shape first (like the 3rd pic, red mountain) then adding finer texture detail (like the grey mountains).
I'd like spend some time sculpting a mountain tomorrow during the casual stream. If you watch please remind me!
You got this ttiborbleuel , Full points plus bonus for week 1. Forget the house, I see HERO mountains being made.
Homework Submission - Week 2 - Mountain N
Ok so I sculpted Mountain N with Multi-res mainly using the scrape brush techique and then adding some detail with the rock brushes I found. I hope I got a style that matches the rest of our artwork.
I then also did the retopology and tried baking the normal map which worked just fine I think.
It is a really quick lighting setup nothing professional just to take a screenshot and there is no material yet so for a better impression you should be able to check my WIP file on google drive it should be synced.
Currently the baked low-poly mountain is at 391 faces. Is this to much or is it ok?
Thanks to everyone who took the time to give me feedback I have alredy learned so much!
I hope we can work with this :D
Nice work, wait for Kent's critic to see what he says about poly count.
Wonderful mountain sculpting ttiborbleuel! I think it will look great in the assembly file. My only note is that the LO poly looks a little too lo poly to me. Very straight-edged silhouette which isn't good since the silhouette will be key for mountains shrouded in atmospheric fog.
Would you mind subdividing one level, shrink-wrapping to the sculpt, and baking maps again?
I'm very keen to link your mountain into the assembly file. But your current file is missing the Normal texture. Can you make sure to upload your texture(s) to the proper directory within SPICE-VENDORS-HOUSE/TEXTURES?
CORRECTION: I see now that your lo-res is the base level of a multires modifier. So instead you just need to set the viewport and render level to 1 in the multires and bake to that instead of level 0.
I went ahead and did this to confirm the suggestion and saved as version 3. Looks good!
Onward to texturing!
Homework Submission - Week 3 - Mountain N
Hi guys. So I finished painting the maps. Here are the results:
Normal map: My normal map is 1024x1024 instead of 512x512 like the others because a 512x512 normal map just looks way worse. I hope that is not a problem.
here is how they look when applied:
I also used a ColorRamp node to get a slight roughness difference between stone and non-stone areas. I kept it at that because I wanted to keep the node setup as simple as possible. Here is the setup:I hope this fits the final sceen. If there is anything to improve just tell me. it has been a blast working on this mountain! :D
Hi ttiborbleuel nice job, I have just opened your file and it's a bit shiny. Have a look and see what you think, try turning down the specular and switch your light to a sun with a strength of around 10 rather than use a point light with a massively high power setting.
Thank you adrian2301 . You are right. Especially the grass has a glossy shine to it which i only seem to be able to get rid of if I turn down the specular to 0. If I do this I lose the roughness difference (which was almost nothing so no big deal) and the entire mountain gets more vibrant. I kind of like the look of it maybe this is even more like what we need. What do you think? (light is now a sunlight strenght 7)
Yes ttiborbleuel much better 👍
This is awesome! Full points for week 3! My only critique is that the transition from the snow to the rock feels very soft and rounded, while the concept art is full of sharp lines:
See if you can get the snow distribution to look a little sharper like these:
ArtStation - 2 Pink Mountains, Nicholas Kennedy
ArtStation - snowy mountain view, jason scheier
ArtStation - Mountaindump, Nicholas Kennedy
Thank you for the feedback jlampel.
I hardened the edges of the snow. it now looks like this:II tried adding more detail in the snow (like patches of stone inbetween to not have one big snowfield) but for that I would probably need to go to a 1k texture because you can see the pixels just to well.
What do you think? Is this what you had in mind? Should I try and go for more detail or do you think this is enough?
Have a nice week! :D
Absolutely ttiborbleuel go 1k or 2k if you need it , Kent was worried about space on the google drive but that has changed, I know Kent would like to see more detail in textures on the mountains. Great job looks much better.
I agree with Adrian on that. Nice work!
Homework Submission - Week 4 - Mountain N
Ok so I went over the Textures one more time. I tried to add the details in the snow that I was talking about by adding a strong sun lamp and working with the shadows generated from the normal map to find spots where there might be no snow. It didnt quite turn out how I imagined but I dont think it is to bad. just tell what you think :) I also weakened the influence of the cavity map on the grass to get a more vibrant vegetation which more fits the colors from our color palette.
Here is the result:
The textures now are 1k except the color one which is 2k. I still have all the lower and previous maps on my pc so if you prefere one of those I can just swap them.
Looks great ttiborbleuel , I would stick with the higher texture res.
You could of used 2k for all textures if you wanted to.
Even though the mountains are in the background they are very large, the more detail the better.
Thank you :D
ttiborbleuel Nice work finalizing the mountain! Only problem is I don't have a color or cavity texture in the TEXTURES directory. If you could upload those that'd be great.
Also it's OK to bake out 2048x2048 textures. I changed my request for lo-res textures for now. If I think they can be optimized I'll do it later. But I also think the mountains will benefit from a larger texture res.
Awesome job here ttiborbleuel ! Let me know once you've uploaded those textures for Kent and I'll fill in the final grade.
I do see the Color and Cavity map on my google drive folder. My Blender also finds them in this google drive directory. I now deleted them and added them back in maybe this solved the problem. Or could there be something else not working?
ttiborbleuel from the blender file on google drive you need to go to the image textures in the material and open the texture from the texture folder on google drive. I have done it for you but just check open the file and see if the texture is on the model. I may have done it the same time you deleted and uploaded again. Excellent work.
ttiborbleuel I'm confused...Google drive tells me I'm 100% synced yet I only see one image texture with your name on it:
adrian2301 are you seeing his textures on your end?
Strange, I see your textures on the google drive website. I don't know why they won't sync to my PC 🤔
OK I see them now..how bizarre. Looking at the website and comparing locally, it's as if Google Drive realized it messed up and fixed it when I looked the other way
ttiborbleuel To close out this WIP thread, here's a screenshot of your mountain in the assembly!
Thanks for joining the collab! I hope you enjoyed and learned from the experience. It was a pleasure working with you 🤝
I really like the result!
thank you theluthier and also adrian2301 for the great feedback I have learned so much during this project. it has been a blast :D. If you are planing on doing something like this again, I am on board ;).